Kentucky crappie fish attractors, the brush piles and other sunken structure the Department of Fish and Wildlife Resources (KDFWR) has placed in Barren River Lake, Nolin River Lake and Green River Lake, come as a map and a downloadable waypoint file for each lake. What the files do not carry is depth. The Corps of Engineers' published schedule for the fall drawdown runs from 15 October to 1 December: it takes 23 feet off Barren River Lake and 22.5 feet off Nolin in 47 days, and 6.5 feet off Green River Lake over the same window. Set today's date against those two dates and the table below. Every waypoint in those files becomes a different piece of water over that window, and on Barren and Nolin anything built in less than about 23 feet of summer-pool water will not be water at all by December.
A waypoint is a promise about latitude and longitude. It makes no promises about what is on top of it.
This is the arithmetic for converting the state's files into something usable at any date between 15 October and 1 December, plus the three crappie size limits — one of which is newer in print than in law — and the ramp closures that arrive while the water is leaving. It was written on 16 October and checked again on 7 November against KDFWR's attractor page, which still lists all three lakes with a map and a GPX file each, still calls its list partial and still gives no depth; the pool, ramp and gauge figures below are as dated in the text.
What the state actually hands you
KDFWR's "Lakes With Fish Attractors" page lists more than forty lakes. For each one there are two things: a Google map, and a GPX file for loading the sites straight into a depth finder or handheld. Barren River, Nolin River and Green River lakes are all on it. So, for the record, are Cave Run, Rough River, Taylorsville and Lake Cumberland.
Per the page, clicking the icon for an attractor "will give you information on the location, type, latitude, and longitude." KDFWR's practical notes are worth repeating because they are the kind of thing you find out at the ramp otherwise:
- "In most cases, KDFWR reports coordinates in Decimal Degrees." Set your depth finder to match before you import.
- "Older depth finders may have difficulty with large numbers of waypoints," the page warns, and "some have limits on the number of waypoints that can be imported." Check your unit's waypoint ceiling before you load three lakes into it. One lake per trip is the conservative play.
- The department is candid that the published set is incomplete: "This list is a partial one and represents a small proportion of the total number of fish attractors KDFWR has placed."
What is absent matters as much. The page gives no depth for any site, no pool elevation at which a site was built, no placement date, and no statement of how often the maps are refreshed. The page itself is undated.
We are not reprinting coordinates here. The files are the department's, they are free, and the copy at the source is the current one.
The type field is the nearest thing to a depth
KDFWR defines nine attractor types on that page. Two of the definitions contain a depth, more or less by accident.
| Type | KDFWR's definition | What it tells you |
|---|---|---|
| Stake Beds/Buckets | "Arrays of vertical stakes grouped together in shallow water" | Shallow by definition |
| Hinge Cuts | "Shoreline trees cut partway through with their tops in the water" | On the bank at the pool where they were cut |
| Weighted Brush Piles/Reefs | "Local brush gathered and weighted with concrete blocks" | No depth given |
| Christmas Trees | "Recycled Christmas trees weighted with concrete blocks" | No depth given |
| Log Piles | "Larger tree trunks and branches weighted with concrete blocks" | No depth given |
| Pallet Stacks | "Stacked arrangements of wooden pallets wired together and weighted" | No depth given |
| Plastic Structures | "Various structures constructed of PVC pipe or plastic pallets" | No depth given |
| Rock Piles | "Small clusters of 3-5 tons of shot rock or rip-rap" | No depth given |
| Reef Ball | "Small concrete domes 3-4 feet tall" | No depth; 3 to 4 feet of relief |
Here we are reasoning, not reporting. A stake bed is described as a shallow-water structure and a hinge cut is a tree still attached to the shoreline. On a lake that drops 23 feet, a tree hinged into the water at or near summer pool ends the drawdown with its top lying on dry ground, well above the waterline. Those two types are the first waypoints to fall out of the file as the pool goes down. The weighted types — brush, trees, logs, pallets — can sit at any depth, and the file will not tell you which.
One caution on our own reasoning: that type list is statewide. We could not open the three lake files (more on that below), so we cannot tell you which types are actually present on Barren, Nolin or Green River, or in what numbers.
The drawdown arithmetic
The Louisville District's fill and drawdown table gives endpoints. Elevations are in feet. These are the figures we read from the Corps page for our fall drawdown article on 26 September and printed on each lake's water page; the Corps page would not load for us on the day this was published, so they were checked against that September reading rather than re-read (see "What we don't know yet").
| Lake | 15 Sep – 14 Oct | 15 Oct – 1 Dec | Summer to winter |
|---|---|---|---|
| Barren River | 552.0 → 551.0 | 551.0 → 528.0 | 24.0 ft |
| Nolin River | 515.0 → 514.5 | 514.5 → 492.0 | 23.0 ft |
| Green River | 675.0 → 674.5 | 674.5 → 668.0 | 7.0 ft |
The Corps publishes endpoints, not a daily curve. If you assume a straight line between 15 October and 1 December — our assumption and our arithmetic, not a Corps figure — the targets look like this. Each cell is the target pool, with the feet off summer pool in brackets:
| Date | Barren | Nolin | Green River |
|---|---|---|---|
| 15 Oct | 551.0 (1.0) | 514.5 (0.5) | 674.5 (0.5) |
| 1 Nov | 542.7 (9.3) | 506.4 (8.6) | 672.1 (2.9) |
| 15 Nov | 535.8 (16.2) | 499.7 (15.3) | 670.2 (4.8) |
| 1 Dec | 528.0 (24.0) | 492.0 (23.0) | 668.0 (7.0) |
That is roughly 3.4 feet a week at Barren, 3.4 at Nolin and 1 foot a week at Green River.
The conversion is one subtraction. Water over a site today equals water over it at summer pool, minus the feet the lake is currently off summer pool. Take a brush pile that had 15 feet over it in July:
- Barren: about 5.7 feet on 1 November. On 15 November the subtraction goes negative. It is on the bank.
- Nolin: about 6.4 feet on 1 November, and at the waterline by mid-month.
- Green River: 12 feet on 1 November, 8 feet on 1 December. Still a brush pile. Still fishable.
Since the file gives you neither number, the first sonar pass over a site is the calibration, and on Barren and Nolin the calibration has a shelf life of days. A depth you logged on a Saturday is three feet stale by the next one.
Use the real pool, not the table. "Feet off summer pool" should be the published summer pool minus the elevation the lake is actually at the morning you go. The schedule is a target, and this has not been a normal water year — see "What we don't know yet." On the day this was published the gauges had not started down yet.
Which waypoints are still water in December
KDFWR's habitat page says its sites "may include areas in the backs of creeks, large flats, small pockets, and even main lake points," and adds that "Many of these sites are located away from the bank in deeper water."
Reasoning again: the first three of those — creek backs, flats and pockets — are the flattest, shallowest ground a reservoir has, and they are where a 23-foot drawdown takes its water first. On Barren and Nolin the file effectively sorts itself over six weeks. Shallow-cove sites drop out from the top; main-lake points and the offshore sites are what is left.
The department's own 2026 forecast points the same direction. For Barren crappie it says "Summer and winter fishing is best around deeper structure in creek/river channel and fish attractor/brush sites." For Nolin it is more specific: "During summer, fall, and winter, fish main lake brush and standing timber in creeks 10- to 18-feet deep."
That Nolin sentence is worth running through the table, because 10 to 18 feet is a moving target on a lake losing about half a foot a day. If the band is read as actual depth on the day — our reading — then the water that qualifies is:
| Date | Feet off summer pool | Water that is 10–18 ft deep today was this deep at summer pool |
|---|---|---|
| 15 Oct | 0.5 | 10.5 – 18.5 ft |
| 1 Nov | 8.6 | 18.6 – 26.6 ft |
| 15 Nov | 15.3 | 25.3 – 33.3 ft |
| 1 Dec | 23.0 | 33 – 41 ft |
Nothing that is in the band on 15 October is still in it on 15 November. The band slides down each creek channel toward the main lake, and it does so on a schedule you can write on a calendar. That is the practical use of the table: it tells you which part of the map to stop looking at.
Green River Lake is the other case entirely. Seven feet turns a 20-foot site into a 13-foot one: a change of presentation, not of address. Apart from the shallowest sites, the file you load in October is the file you fish in January. For a kayak angler who wants to learn a set of sites once and have them stay learned, it is the stable lake of the three.
One genuinely useful side effect on the two big-drop lakes, and it is free: structure that goes dry can be seen. A site you can look at from the boat in late November, with the pool elevation written next to it, is a site you understand better in May than anyone working from the file alone. Photograph it, log the elevation that day, and you have added the one field the state leaves out.
Three lakes, three size limits — one of them newly printed
| Lake | Crappie minimum size | Daily creel |
|---|---|---|
| Barren River Lake | 10 inches | Statewide: 20 |
| Nolin River Lake | 10 inches — in force since 18 June 2025 | Statewide: 20 |
| Green River Lake | 9 inches | Statewide: 20 |
The statewide crappie limit is 20 daily and 40 in possession, black and white crappie "singly or combined," with no statewide minimum size. All three lakes keep the statewide creel and add a length limit. The regulation itself, 301 KAR 1:201 in its current text (effective 3 September 2026), reads "Crappie size limit, ten (10) inches" for Barren River Lake and for Nolin River Lake, and "Crappie size limit, nine (9) inches" for Green River Lake.
Nolin's is the one to re-learn, and it is older than the Guide makes it look. The 2026–27 Fishing and Boating Guide lists it under "New this year": Nolin River Lake, "Crappie minimum size limit is now 10 inches." The forecast says "Minimum length limit raised to 10 inches in 2026." The regulation moved first. The amendment to 301 KAR 1:201 that raised the Nolin and Rough River limit from 9 to 10 inches took effect on 18 June 2025, and KDFWR's own release of 11 August 2025 says the amendment "increases the current 9-inch crappie size limit at Nolin River and Rough River lakes to 10 inches," and gives 18 June 2025 as the effective date. The 10 inches only reached the printed Guide in 2026. If your habits on Nolin were set under the 9-inch rule, they have been wrong since last summer. Our crappie guide has the full history and the Commission's stated reason. Rough River Lake made the same move on the same day, which matters if you fish both — see our Rough River Lake guide.
Nine inches at Green River and ten at the other two is exactly the kind of difference that gets forgotten in a livewell on a two-lake weekend.
Where "the lake" ends
The limits apply within each lake's boundaries, and the Guide defines those by landmark:
- Barren River Lake: "from the dam upstream to the KY 100 bridge, Long Creek to the KY 100 bridge, Beaver Creek to the KY 1297 bridge, Skaggs Creek to the Matthews Mill Road bridge and Peter Creek to the Peter Creek Road bridge."
- Nolin River Lake: "the Wheelers Mill Road bridge in the Nolin River arm" and "the KY 728 bridge in the Bacon Creek arm." The regulation's own text gives a different road in Bacon Creek: "Nolin River Lake shall extend up Bacon Creek to Highway 178 and to Wheelers Mill Road Bridge on the Nolin River." The Guide calls itself "a SUMMARY of the laws" and points to legislature.ky.gov for the actual wording, so on Bacon Creek go by 301 KAR 1:201 and ask KDFWR if your trip sits between the two roads.
- Green River Lake: "Green River to Snake Creek Boat Ramp; Robinson Creek to KY 76 bridge; Casey Creek to Arnolds Landing Boat Ramp."
This matters more in November than in June. As we covered in the fall drawdown article, the upper ends of the big-drop lakes go back to looking like rivers at winter pool. Our reading of the Guide — a reading, so confirm it with KDFWR if your trip depends on it — is that the boundary is the landmark, not the waterline. Moving water downstream of the Wheelers Mill Road bridge is still Nolin River Lake for the purposes of a 10-inch limit.
What the forecast says is there
KDFWR's 2026 forecast says it "is based on 2025 fish population surveys, planned fish stockings, and projections for 2026." On crappie, in the department's words:
- Barren River Lake: "Excellent numbers overall (Black and White). Numbers and sizes of keeper fish is very good." And: "Skaggs and Beaver Creek arms slightly skewed to White Crappie."
- Nolin River Lake: "Solid population with good overall numbers and many 12+ inch fish available." The forecast also lists Nolin crappie among its "New Up-and-Comers."
- Green River Lake: "Good numbers of harvestable-size fish (9 inches plus) with better than normal numbers of 11- to 13-inch fish available," and "Number of overcrowded sub-legal fish is starting to reduce which should help growth."
Read the Nolin entry next to the 10-inch limit and the logic is visible: a population described as holding many fish over 12 inches is one that can carry a 10-inch minimum. That connection is ours; the forecast does not state a reason for the change. The Commission's own stated reason is in the crappie guide linked above.
Ramps: what closes while the water leaves
Nolin River Lake. When we read the Corps' lake page on 13 October, its lake calendar read "October 31 – Dog Creek and Iberia Boat Ramps CLOSE," reopening 1 April, with the ramp at the dam (Site One) and Moutardier listed as open year round and the standing caveat that "In case of extreme variations in the level of the lake, the ramps are subject to closure." Our Nolin River Lake page, from a Corps reading in September, quotes the same seasons: "The Iberia and Dog Creek boat ramps are open from April 1 until October 31." KDFWR's access records, read on 16 October, flag Moutardier and Wax "Year Round - Limited Hours." A caveat of our own, which we would rather state than hide: no year is printed on that Corps calendar, and the holiday dates on the same page matched 2022 when we read it. We could not re-read the Corps page on the day this was published. Treat 31 October as the Corps' last published pattern and call the lake office at (270) 286-4511 before towing to either ramp in November. The page lists no recorded lake-information line for Nolin.
Barren River Lake. The Corps' recreation page, as we read it on 13 October, lists eight ramps on the lake and one below the dam. It does not say which remain usable at winter pool. The lake information line, (270) 646-2122, is updated daily at 7 a.m. Central; the project office is (270) 646-2055.
Green River Lake. The daily lake information line is (270) 465-8824; the office is (270) 465-4463. With a 7-foot drawdown this is the lake least likely to surprise you at the ramp, but nobody has published that as a fact either.
Those Nolin, Barren and Green River ramp statements and phone numbers are as we read them on the Corps pages on 13 October and, for the phone numbers, as printed on this site's three water pages from September; none could be re-read on the day this was published.
Carry-down launches. KDFWR's access database, read on 16 October, flags three carry-down-only sites at Barren (Barren River Lake WMA, the Dry Creek Unit WMA, and Quarry Road Beach, the last of which carries a fee flag in KDFWR's record) and three at Green River Lake (Elkhorn Ramp, White Oak Ramp and Wilson Creek). It lists none at Nolin. Inference, not a report: a carry-down site on a lake that is 16 feet down is a longer carry over whatever the lake left behind. Walk it before you unload.
We have found no published pool elevation at which any ramp on these lakes stops working. We went through that gap in detail in the drawdown article, and nothing we have read since closes it.
A hint that Nolin is running warm
KDFWR's October trout stocking schedule had the Nolin Lake tailwater down for 13 October. As of 16 October the entry reads "Postponed Due to High Water Temperature," with no new date. It is the only postponed entry on the October page. (The trout side of this is in our fall trout stocking article.)
This is a hint and we are treating it as one. A tailwater's temperature reflects the water the dam is releasing, not the lake's surface, and one postponed truck is not a temperature profile. But it is a dated, official signal that Nolin has not cooled on the schedule the trout program expected, and fall crappie positioning follows temperature more closely than it follows the calendar. If you fish Nolin this month, the thermometer on your sonar is telling you something the calendar is not. Believe the thermometer.
What falling water changes about the rig
KDFWR's own advice for its sites is short: "weedless presentations and lures are a good option when fishing these areas to reduce snagging," and "your depth finder will be valuable in finding the exact location and depth."
Two additions, both ours and both opinion:
- Anything set by depth expires weekly. A slip-float stop, a counted-down jig, a marked length of line — on Barren and Nolin each of those is more than three feet wrong seven days later. Re-measure on the first pass every trip rather than fishing last week's number.
- A hull over shallow brush is not subtle. Once a site has only a few feet over it, the kayak advantage is being able to hold off it quietly and cast, not sit on top of it and drop. The same pile that was a vertical fish in October is a casting target by mid-November.
What we don't know yet
Nine things, and we would rather list them than write around them.
1. Whether the drawdown has started. The USGS lake gauges, read through the USGS instantaneous-values service on 16 October (provisional data, feet above NGVD 1929), had Barren River Lake at 550.94 at 6 a.m. Central on 16 October and 550.90 at 4:30 p.m., Nolin at 514.63 at 6 a.m. Central and 514.63 at 5:10 p.m., and Green River Lake at 674.19 at 6 a.m. Eastern and 674.17 at 6:10 p.m. Three days earlier, on the evening of 13 October, they read 550.91, 514.56 and 674.10. So as of the afternoon of 16 October none of the three had begun the scheduled fall: Barren was sitting about a foot under summer pool, where the schedule's first stage left it, and Nolin and Green River were within a foot of theirs. The Louisville District's daily lake report would not load for us. Check the gauge the morning you go; the links are below.
2. Whether Barren and Nolin made summer pool this year. On 22 May 2026 the Corps said Rough River, Barren River and Nolin River lakes "are experiencing below-average pool levels due to significantly reduced spring rainfall" and cautioned that pool levels "will depend entirely on future rainfall patterns." The 16 October gauge readings above put all three within about a foot of summer pool, which answers the question for mid-October but not for the summer. If a lake starts the drawdown below the schedule, every "feet off summer pool" figure above is larger than the table says. Use the real elevation.
3. The Corps schedule page could not be re-read on the release day. The Louisville District's website has been refusing automated readers this month, so the fill-and-drawdown figures above are the ones we read from it on 26 September for the drawdown article and the three water pages, checked against those published pages rather than against the Corps page itself. When we read it in September the page was titled "Louisville District Reservoirs 2024 Proposed Fill and Drawdown Schedules." It was the most recent one published. It is not a commitment for this fall.
4. The straight line is ours. The Corps publishes a start elevation, an end elevation and two dates. The by-date targets above assume an even rate between them. Rain interrupts drawdowns and the Corps catches up afterwards.
5. What is in the three lake files. The GPX downloads did not open in our reader and the Google maps could not be fetched, so we have not seen the waypoints ourselves: not the count, not the mix of types, not whether any date or depth is attached. Everything above about the files' contents comes from KDFWR's own description of them.
6. How current the attractor maps are. No date on the page, no update schedule, and the department says the published set is partial.
7. Where the Nolin limit stops in Bacon Creek. The Guide says the KY 728 bridge; 301 KAR 1:201 says Highway 178. We print both and go by the regulation, as the Guide itself directs; KDFWR has not, in anything we read, reconciled the two.
8. Ramp seasons and phone numbers on the release day. The Corps lake pages that carry the Nolin ramp calendar, the Barren ramp count and all five phone numbers are on the same website that would not load, so those stand as read on 13 October and as printed on this site's water pages since September. The Corps also lists its Nolin ramps with a count we could not re-check, so we have left the count out.
9. Temperature and oxygen profiles. The Louisville District has a page for lake temperature and dissolved-oxygen profiles. It would not load for us, so we cannot say how recent the profiles are or what they show. If it loads for you, it is the most direct answer available to how deep these fish can comfortably be.
Sources and how confident we are
Check it yourself
- KDFWR, Lakes With Fish Attractors — the maps and GPX files: https://fw.ky.gov/Fish/Pages/fish_attractor_lakes.aspx
- USACE Louisville District daily lake report — current pool for all three lakes, when it loads: https://www.lrl-wc.usace.army.mil/reports/lkreport.html
- USGS 03312900, Barren River Lake near Finney, KY (lake elevation above NGVD 1929): https://waterdata.usgs.gov/monitoring-location/03312900/
- USGS 03310900, Nolin Lake near Kyrock, KY (lake elevation above NGVD 1929): https://waterdata.usgs.gov/monitoring-location/03310900/
- USGS 03305990, Green River Lake near Campbellsville, KY (lake elevation above NGVD 1929): https://waterdata.usgs.gov/monitoring-location/03305990/
- KDFWR monthly trout stocking — where the Nolin tailwater postponement is posted: https://fw.ky.gov/Fish/Pages/Monthly-Trout-Stocking.aspx
One datum note: all three USGS lake gauges report elevation above NGVD 1929 (parameter 62614; the USGS site page for Barren names the datum, and the data service names it for all three). We did not confirm which datum the Corps schedule uses, so treat small differences between a gauge reading and a schedule target as noise.
Sources
Attractors and habitat
- Kentucky Department of Fish and Wildlife Resources, Lakes With Fish Attractors, read 16 October and again 7 November 2026 (lake list, partial-list statement and absence of depth re-confirmed) — the lake list, what each map marker shows, the nine type definitions, the decimal-degrees and waypoint-limit notes, and the "partial list" statement: https://fw.ky.gov/Fish/Pages/fish_attractor_lakes.aspx
- KDFWR, Fish Habitat, read 16 October 2026 — where sites are placed and the department's fishing advice for them: https://fw.ky.gov/Fish/Pages/Fish_Habitat.aspx
Drawdown schedule and pool
- USACE Louisville District, Louisville District Reservoirs 2024 Proposed Fill and Drawdown Schedules — every pool elevation and date in the schedule table, as read on 26 September 2026 for our drawdown article and the Barren, Nolin and Green River water pages; the page could not be re-read on 16 October: https://www.lrl.usace.army.mil/Missions/Civil-Works/Water-Information/Fill-and-Drawdown/
- U.S. Army, Spring drought contributes to lower lake levels across Kentucky, 22 May 2026, read 16 October 2026: https://www.army.mil/article/293161
- U.S. Geological Survey, instantaneous values (parameter 62614) for sites 03312900, 03310900 and 03305990, read 16 October 2026 — the pool readings in "What we don't know yet": https://waterservices.usgs.gov/nwis/iv/?format=rdb&sites=03312900,03310900,03305990¶meterCd=62614&period=P3D
- USGS, Kentucky lake-site list, read 16 October 2026 — the three gauge ids and names: https://waterservices.usgs.gov/nwis/site/?format=rdb&stateCd=KY&siteType=LK
Regulations and forecast
- KDFWR, Kentucky Fishing & Boating Guide, March 2026 – February 2027 (updated September 2026), read 16 October 2026 — statewide crappie limits, the three lake size limits, the Nolin and Rough River "New this year" items, the lake boundary descriptions, and the Guide's own statement that it is a summary: https://fw.ky.gov/fish/documents/fishingguide.pdf
- Kentucky Legislative Research Commission, 301 KAR 1:201, current text effective 3 September 2026, read 16 October 2026 — the three lake size limits and the regulation's lake boundaries, and the 18 June 2025 effective date in its history line: https://apps.legislature.ky.gov/law/kar/titles/301/001/201/
- KDFWR, Kentucky Fish and Wildlife announces new or amended regulations, 11 August 2025, read 16 October 2026 — the Nolin and Rough River change from 9 to 10 inches, effective 18 June 2025: https://fw.ky.gov/News/Pages/Kentucky-Fish-and-Wildlife-announces-new-or-amended-regulations.aspx
- KDFWR waterbody pages, read 16 October 2026 — special regulations and access sites for Barren River Lake (https://app.fw.ky.gov/fisheries/WaterbodyDetail.aspx?wid=77), Nolin River Lake (https://app.fw.ky.gov/fisheries/waterbodydetail.aspx?wid=75) and Green River Lake (https://app.fw.ky.gov/fisheries/WaterbodyDetail.aspx?wid=73)
- KDFWR, 2026 Fishing Forecast and Tips, read 16 October 2026 — the crappie entries quoted above and the "New Up-and-Comers" list: https://fw.ky.gov/Fish/Documents/CurrentFishingForecast.pdf
Ramps and phone numbers
- USACE Louisville District, Nolin River Lake — lake calendar, ramp seasons and office number, as read 13 October 2026; not reachable 16 October: https://www.lrl.usace.army.mil/Missions/Civil-Works/Recreation/Lakes/Nolin-River-Lake/
- USACE Louisville District, Barren River Lake recreation page — ramp count, information line and office number, as read 13 October 2026; not reachable 16 October: https://www.lrl.usace.army.mil/Missions/Civil-Works/Recreation/Lakes/Barren-River-Lake/Recreation/
- USACE Louisville District, Green River Lake — information line and office number, as read 13 October 2026; not reachable 16 October: https://www.lrl.usace.army.mil/Missions/Civil-Works/Recreation/Lakes/Green-River-Lake/
- Our own Nolin River Lake, Barren River Lake and Green River Lake pages — the September Corps readings of the ramp seasons and phone numbers.
Trout schedule
- KDFWR, Trout Stocking Schedule, October 2026, read 16 October 2026: https://fw.ky.gov/Fish/Pages/Monthly-Trout-Stocking.aspx
Pool elevations and drawdown dates are Corps targets, not guarantees, and the by-date figures on this page are our straight-line arithmetic on those targets. Regulations change. Verify the pool, the ramp and the size limit before you travel.